Over the past weekend, an incredibly epic event took place halfway around the world in China, Spartan Race's Agoge 003. This was a once in a lifetime experience where athletes from around the world would meet to do one of the ultimate team building events in the world in one of the most exotic and scenic locations possible, on the “Wild Wall,” a section of the Great Wall of China normally closed to visitors.
When I first heard about this event, I was jealous of those who would be going and expected my brothers and sisters from Agoge 002 who attended to awe me with their tales of the event. Unfortunately, this was not what showed up in my Facebook feed. Instead, I heard stories of only 13 of 59 finishing, of ludicrously arbitrary methods of choosing who those finishers would be, and of the bitter taste this event left in the mouths of many participants.
This was followed by a video from Joe de Sena posted originally only on the private page for Agoge graduates (which has since been cross-posted to the Hurricane Heat page) explaining what happened.
In a nutshell, of the 59 who started, 46 made it through the full 60 hours and completed all tasks set before them. From this group, the five women were separated out and given the wedges signifying completion of the event, along with five more to hand out to those guys they thought “most worthy.” The Krypteia handed out three more (other reports say seven), and everyone else was left empty-handed.
Joe explains in his video that these people outperformed everyone else, that “not everyone is entitled to a medal” and that “life isn't fair.” There are a few big problems that I have with this explanation and with the results.
Agoge is not the Death Race. Let me repeat that. Agoge is NOT the Death Race. From my experience in class 002 and that of people who did class 001, it's all about team building, and coming together in unity to accomplish impossible tasks and help each other learn and grow. Agoge is the apex part of the “Learning” trifecta in Spartan's Delta, along with Spartan X and the SGX program. It is designed to be almost impossible to complete without a team mindset, placing others needs above your own periodically.
While changing the game and the criteria is entirely within his rights as the owner of Spartan Race, doing so at the end of a grueling endurance event that people sacrificed and spent thousands of dollars to get to, many in pursuit of Spartan's “Perfect Delta” marketing ploy, could at best be described as a dick move. It shows disdain and disregard for what are clearly some of their most ardent followers and best customers. In fact, an email sent out to participants before the event clearly stated that if you complete all 60 hours, you WILL receive a finisher's wedge, along with an Agoge t-shirt and hoodie, so Spartan has also broken their word here.
This is a ridiculously hypocritical statement considering that Spartan Race has built its business on the fact that everyone who crosses the starting and finish lines at a race gets a medal, regardless of their performance on the course.
If people were indeed performing below par and unworthy of finishing, there are better ways of handling this. Real-time hacks that have to be met or other performance goals that can separate those who were ready from those who weren't. Heck – pick out 2 or 3 people who aren't pulling their weight or supporting their teams 10, 20, or 30 hours in and drop them as an example to everyone else. I would rather be DNF'd a thousand times for legitimate reasons than think I'd done everything up to standard only to be turned away at the last moment.
This method of deciding who finished and who didn't was not only patently unfair (and blatantly sexist), but also appears designed to set participants against one another, and accusations have been flying about whether some people “deserved” it while others who may have contributed more were overlooked. This completely overturns the mindset that is supposed to be at the core of this type of event – that you succeed or fail as a team.
Now, at this point you might be thinking to yourself “But Chris, why do you even care? You weren't there in China and are unaffected by the outcome.”
Well, aside from the fact that I gave the Agoge product a pretty ringing endorsement based on my experience in 002, it appears that they succeeded in their goals at that event too well. We are all ONE team, and several people I consider my brothers and sisters are profoundly upset and disillusioned by the way things went down. This is why many of the most vocal critics of these actions were graduates of Agoge 001 or 002. We had a very positive, life-changing experience out there, and it breaks our hearts to see this happening to our friends.
But don't take my word for it. I reached out to many who were there to get their impressions, online and in private conversations. Some were okay with how things played out; others clearly were not. Here are a few excerpts of what I've been sent so far (edited to remove some negative comments towards individuals, as I don't think they're particularly relevant or helpful). Please note that whether someone received a finisher's token or were snubbed doesn't seem to have any real bearing on their reactions to the event.
…all girls got chosen to go get medals while the guys had to hold bags of dirt over our head. Some couldn't do it so we had to squat and hold bags over our head for a long time. Finally they let us stand up and that's when the girls got to choose who they wanted so they picked their 5 and then the krypteia picked theirs… I got picked for the wedge and went and got it thinking that everyone out there was going to get it as well… Then people on my team told me they didn't get it and I started hearing more that didn't get it so then I started to get pissed because we finished as a team. I couldn't have done it without them so now I'm done with Spartan Races for not being honorable or having any integrity.
Here's another opinion.
There were a lot of guys who helped teammates and everyone to finish and went above and beyond what was asked but did so in long hikes so not noticed except by teammates. Others were vocal in front of Krypteia when it mattered… Now was it fair to single out the women? No, that's sexist… Did they deserve the medal? Hell yes… Did all the people who got the wedge deserve it more than others? Hell no…
And another…
Instead of euphoria and pride, most of the emotions Saturday night were confusion, shock, despair, and guilt…in various measure and combinations, by all participants. Had they followed precedent, it would've been a night of celebration. Had they communicated a change in protocol (before or during the event), a lot of the mess could've been avoided. There are ways to accomplish the same goal without holding your customers in contempt.
This next one hit me most powerfully.
I had an amazing experience…until the last hour. When we were told the five women were the finishers, I was sick. There was no way I could have succeeded without my team or without some of the people on other teams.
I didn’t do anything special that the other 33 people didn’t do. I also have some issues with awarding all of the women medals. Why the women? They had said it was because we performed so well, but I’m sure there were men who out performed me; there had to be. So even though I feel like I earned a medal (along with 46 other people), I feel like it was given only because I am a woman. I don’t want to receive something based on my gender; I want to receive it because I earned it as a person.
There were also other people who encouraged their teammates along the way in ways the Krypteia may not have been aware. These people made sure their team members had what they needed, they shared their food when others ran out, they offered words of encouragement and carried some of their physical load when they were unable. All of that, and these people were told they weren’t good enough. Telling these men who helped these women, and the other men who helped their teammates, they weren’t good enough seems like the wrong way to instill the ideal of teamwork.
Spartan’s motto is “Building Better People”. I don’t think you can push someone through 60 grueling hours of physically and mentally demanding accomplishments to then tell him or her they weren’t good enough and expect them come out a better person. People prepared for months, spent thousands of dollars on gear and travel for this adventure, and were prepared physically and mentally, as evident by their finish. What Joe has done has broken some people. And I’m not sure some of those people can recover.
And finally, this one has a pretty solid analysis of where the real breakdowns occurred.
After some time to think about what went down at the end of the 60 hours of Agoge in China, there is only one real conclusion. The Krypteia leadership failed. It was absolutely a failure in their part for not stepping up and making sure each and every one who made it to hour 60 earned a Finisher wedge to whatever new standard they came up with.
In the end, it’s about leadership. The whole selection of a few was just a cover up on how they could not deliver a successful training event. Agoge as we have known it is an event, not a competition to see who is the best of the best. Agoge is a test, to prove you are able to push yourself beyond your own expectations and limits. You are supposed to learn from it, and come out a better person. Not bitter, not questioning your abilities because someone passed judgement on you.
A leader is responsible for those under their charge, their success and failures. There is no gray area, you cannot only accept the successes and not the failures. It’s the risk you accept as a leader. In an organization, team or event, the ultimate responsibility falls on the leadership. It may not be fair, because you will have fuck ups or fall to Murphy’s Law, so you just adapt and make it work. The decision to declare only a few as finishers is absolute BS. There was a basic criterion, your (Agoge) passport; when every module within the 60 hours was passed and you finished.
I congratulate every person who crossed the 60-hour mark. You are a Finisher, and I am sorry the Krypteia failed you.
In case it's not abundantly clear, these are NOT the kind of reactions you want at the end of a tough endurance event. None of these people are newcomers to endurance; most are fellow Agoge graduates from earlier classes and have done a host of other arduous events and challenges. These type of events are supposed to be about forming deep bonds through hardship and coming away amazed at what you were able to accomplish, and about what you found inside yourself. For those who fail to meet the standards along the way, these events provide an opportunity for self-reflection and growth, and if done right, should fire the flames to evolve and make yourself better and stronger for next time.
The decisions made here, particularly surrounding the end of Agoge 003, have tainted all those involved and the brand itself. I was looking forward to attending a future Agoge but will put those plans on hold until I find out what form these events will take.
There are many different events out there, and sometimes things don't go according to plan. If Agoge 003 was a glitch that suffered from bad decision making on the ground or an overabundance of ego, then Spartan Race and the Agoge directors need to own up to that, work to make it right, and ensure that future events don't follow a similar path. If this instead represents an “evolution” of the event, then I am sad to see an event that changed me disappear, and I am not a fan of what is taking its place. Let's just forget about finisher wedges and start handing out plastic skulls again instead.
Article Update from MRG:
Spartan seems to be listening to the feedback from China. This afternoon, Joe De Sena sent out an invite to past AGOGE participants today inviting them to a private meeting to discuss the past, present, and future of the AGOGE.
“The Agoge Global Meeting is an exclusive interactive session for prior Agoge participants where you'll have the opportunity to learn, ask questions, and get answers. A focal point will be the buzz that's happening right now after the conclusion of Agoge China.
Topics covered will include:
– The Spartan ethos / Agoge's role
– My life lessons at Spartan
– Agoge modules and teaching topics
– Medal decisions at Agoge China
– Participant feedback
– The future of Agoge
– Question & Answer session
To frame our discussion, I ask that you read the attached feedback from Agoge China participants and non-participants.”
After the meeting takes place we will continue to update this article as questions and concerns from Spartan Race are answered.
Update 10/25/16:
Chris Cow joined the conference call to have some of these questions answered. Find the update to the Agoge China Conference Call with Joe De Sena Here.
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Spartan Leadership on the whole seems to be in a downward spiral, with false and misleading information being disseminated to the (once) loyal Spartan followers.
It seems in his effort to bring the sport of OCR to the Olympics, Joe has decided individual competition NOT Teamwork is the way to achieve that goal.
The environment at Spartan Events in the past year is very different than past years, and Agoge 003 has only reinforced the notion that Teamwork is no longer valued. OH… Except on the Commercial Network Television Show that actually REQUIRES Teamwork to succeed at many of the obstacles.
I am so very disappointed in the direction Spartan is taking. So much so, that I have not yet signed up for any Spartan Events in 2017….Sadley, “…Get off the couch and start your #SpartanTraining…” no longer applies to the masses of couch potatoes who rose off the couch and have supported Spartan Events in increasing numbers for the past 12 years. Evidently it is for the Elite and those who individually compete.
I have a theory here, and it may be entirely off the wall, but just hear me out before I am slaughtered in the comments.
What if the wedges were the final test? I recently did a brutal experience similar to this, which will be seen more from later on, and we were told from the beginning that the way to pass or succeed was to sacrifice, spend ourselves for the team, and give ourselves to the men and women around us. Did any of the women who received the final wedge give it away as well as their other wedge to give? Did any of the men re-give theirs to someone else on the team to make sure they got one? Did anyone stand up and say, “hell no, we all get one or we all take the hit together?” Or did the first 13 of the 49 to be gifted take their wedges with their heads down and lips sealed, and pocket their trophies?
I am not saying I would have done differently, believe me I am a huge medal whore, and especially at the price that it cost them! I damn well would want that symbol if achievement….
but if Agoge is truly about learning, enlightenment, and ascending as an individual and society, I can see them pulling a stunt like this. To me it seems feasible, and something that would A) be right up Joe’s alley, and B) explain the snark and displeasure in his response. Just a theory
This has been one of my thoughts as well. Even if it wasnt Joe’s plan, I firmly believe that had everyone tossed their pie pieced on the ground in front of Joe and told him “NO”, that things would have gone differently. I stated this through FB and one response was that the level of fatigue after 60hrs in most of the participants didnt allow for much cognitive decision making.
I think this is extremely unfortunate, and has already smeared the Agoge name, harmed Spartans rep among those of us who bleed Spartan, and created resentment within the team and the bonds that were supposed to be formed by Agoge
It’s a good theory. I don’t think it was a viable option in this case because the wedges were given out piecemeal in a separate location, not in front of the whole class. My understanding is that the people receiving them thought everyone was going to get one, but that the others might have another task or bonus funishment to endure before they got theirs, and only realized after everything was over that most got nothing.
Wow. Didn’t expect this. I almost went to China…wondering if I made right decision not going…would love to hear Spartan’s perspective…
It’s recorded that a Spartan named Paedaretus was passed over for membership in a select and honored group of 300 Spartans, and went away beaming with happiness. Asked why, he replied that this meant that Sparta had 300 men better than he was.
This commendable (and commendably-Spartan) attitude is a great thing to strive for–but notice that it can only exist in someone who has a genuine and earned trust in the leadership that is doing the selecting. Practices that smack of arbitrariness, covered-up with a self-righteous “life isn’t fair”, are fatal to such trust. Life may not be fair–but if we set ourselves up as referees or judges over other men, we are undertaking to be as fair in that context as we possibly can.
I have a question…..which may have or may not have been part of the test….
Did anyone at all Woman or Man that received a wedge give it back ?? So when they saw the unfairness of what unfolded…did they stand up for their “team mates” and return it to Joe or the Krypteia saying “No, this isn’t right” !!! Or did they simply keep their own prize ?? and in way forsake their team mates…. ???
Food for thought
I know people that went to this Agoge, but I am not speaking for them. When I heard about this I was disappointed. I have been following closely the Unbeatable Mind program by Mark Divine, former Navy SEAL. His programs promote full teamwork attitude. You don’t ‘vote’ anyone out for any reason. If they get pulled medically or ring the bell, that’s on them on their terms, but as long as your teammate is there, prepared or not, and meets the minimum standards, you are ALL to accomplish the mission and come home together. I get that the wedge is material, but it is also symbolic in meaning. Does anyone feel the same about at 3’x5′ piece of cloth ….(wait for it)…. with red and white stripes…a field of blue, about 50 stars….mean anything to you? Not presenting a wedge based on the adjusted criteria is, on it’s own, disrespectful and weak. It is also breach of contract to what they paid for.
This was dubbed as a teamwork event. It was a teamwork finish.
I know it’s easy to say what I would do or not do, but really hard to back it up unless I was there, especially after 60 hours of this event. I first would have asked everyone to join in ‘All or None’. Team is Team. Everyone on one side of the field gets a superbowl ring for winning the game….not just the QB, RB, WR, a few DB’s…EVERYONE!
Alternatively, I would have invited all wedges to be combined in a pile, cut into equal pieces of the finishers. Obviously not easily realistic considering the logistics to do that and where everyone being from everywhere on the globe, the but the sentiment needs to be made.
Had I been presented a wedge, and not everyone else for the pathetic reasons given, it would have tarnished my experience as well, to the point where I would be conflicted in appreciating it at any point after such a revelation was made about others not getting it.
It would not be valuable simply because the symbol would have lost it’s meaning.
Because this has happened, my Spartan shirts, medals, headbands, (regardless of how meaningful those symbols were), feel less like a badge of honor, and more like a piece of material.
I do not believe the current explanation given has justified the actions to prevent injury to the sport of OCR and the great people in this family that make it a great sport. There’s is nothing new that can be said that can repair this mistake.
Hmmmmmm, Joe. How do explain the rumors of Randy Moss getting a medal in Tahoe when people watched him getting rides in trucks to warm up, etc? Not do all his burpees, not do the swim, etc etc……and you were with him when he got his medal!!!! Come on man. Spartan is starting to roll downhill. Very hypocritical with your Agogo 003 explanation.
I think what Spartan leadership (and some loyalists) forget is that this isn’t ancient Greece and there really isn’t a Spartan army. There, I said it. Let the attacks begin. Seriously, though. Spartan is one of a few larger companies that hosts OCR-type events and races. You pay money. You complete the task. You get the reward. Yes they have a few unique events, and Joe D has done a great job getting his brand out there. But that’s due to good business – including customer loyalty.
If someone wants to do events like Agoge, Spartan isn’t the only game in town – GoRuck, Green Beret Challenge, SealFit Kokoro, to name a few. If the Spartan leadership can’t get back to earth and off of Mt Olympus, they may find themselves being the next Battlefrog.
WOW i read thru most all the comments, Im shocked to think that What the spartan events are based on has not been violated by a participant but by the organization itself. The medal say courage, camaraderie, competition, Nothing is perfect and i hope that they do have a formal apoligy issued via their site AND to give people their medals. They made a big mistake and should own up to it. its not about eating CROW as they say or embarassing thing but a respectful thing the organization should do. Camaraderie is very important,and Joe should show some to his fellow and loyal participants and do the right thing. Also after two years of emailing the spartan team Joe and mike they finally did email back saying that they would come out with age group awards for us which is the other word on on the medal Competition… they only give out masters awards but there are us in the age groups mine for example is 50-54 that i really train and enjoy competing with others in our age groups, even smaller events like the GLADIATOR which i highly recommend give you a beautiful plastic small little plaque/ display award, its awesome. Joe and the rest of the team work very hard to put on the events for sure, but i hope it hasent just become an event for them after the years, i hope they come back to the roots of the principal. Battlefrog failed because they did not listen to the participants, the masters age like myself had to do the same course as the elite, i got DQed twice out of twice i did the event, second time i did it i made it all the way to the last rig on the second lap only to be DQed, the rigs were way too much based on finger forearm grip and not necessary on overall athletic performance and endurance, They didnt reliize that or really seemed that they cared about what i wrote them, Us slightly older hard core fun loving dedicated competitive guys and gals are being overlooked as just a number and a paying entry form into these events, I once again thank the spartan team for the events that they work very hard to put on, i urge them to not forget or get complacent that the tribe here are speaking out to you and are asking for the respect back that we give to you,,,,also since im here now writing that at the events that things like the sandbag carry be consistant, the two bags that i had at the world tahoe both ties at the top came apart. luckey there was another tied bag inside of the outside bag and also i watched people carry them using the duct tape as literral a handle fly by me on the way down when there was nothing for me to do but try to position them to carry, it really gave some of my competitors huge advantage, which didnt seem very competitive event, sand bags and log carrys should be made out of something that is same size and shape i would ask for. little thing?? or big things like this lead into to bigger things like the main topic here, email them email them email them, if no one lets them know how disapointed the TRIBE is then what?? they only hear from a couple of people and it wont seem like it needs urgent attension which it does. Also email about age group awards and consistant type of things to carry, and other concerns, email not to complain of course but to do what i did and to come up with a solution to make the spartan and other events a higher calling and something for us hyperactive MO FOS to do…. LOL Joe, Mike lets see how you handle this
Any update on this story? I am curious how the call went down this weekend.
Thanks.
I am very curious about this as well. Has anyone heard what happened on the call? An update would be huge for us not lucky enough to be on the call.
If they aren’t going to make this right, then I may be forgoing Spartan events at every opportunity in the future. I really wanted to do my first Trifecta next year, but this is making me think twice. Will the rules for that be changed as well? I mean, where does it end?
Integrity is something they claim to care about, but it seems like they are taking some serious liberties with the definition.
We are working on an update for you and everyone wondering and should have it by this afternoon or tomorrow for those wondering.